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Wednesday, 25 August 2021

Re: [emrat:12963] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

If that ends up being a good sport touring bike, it would be tempting to trade my tiger for one of those and a dirt bike for trails.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:08 AM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:

660 does make sense. Like the Wee-Strom 600. A buddy from NC ride one to the artic circle and back, two up a lot of the way.

The brakes and suspension parts appear to be higher end, like Brembo.

I wonder what the price point will be?

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On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 07:25 Jim Baker <emeksv@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, that makes sense.

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On Aug 25, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Steve Smith <shmitty74@gmail.com> wrote:

It's based on the same 660 motor as the new Trident.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 06:29 Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:
I had the same question ... isn't the 750-900 class the mid-weight class? If so, they already have one.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:
Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

<image.png>

Article here:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

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Re: [emrat:12962] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

660 does make sense. Like the Wee-Strom 600. A buddy from NC ride one to the artic circle and back, two up a lot of the way.

The brakes and suspension parts appear to be higher end, like Brembo.

I wonder what the price point will be?

sent from telegraph

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 07:25 Jim Baker <emeksv@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, that makes sense.

Jim Baker
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On Aug 25, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Steve Smith <shmitty74@gmail.com> wrote:

It's based on the same 660 motor as the new Trident.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 06:29 Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:
I had the same question ... isn't the 750-900 class the mid-weight class? If so, they already have one.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:
Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

<image.png>

Article here:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

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Re: [emrat:12961] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

Ok, that makes sense.

Jim Baker

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On Aug 25, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Steve Smith <shmitty74@gmail.com> wrote:

It's based on the same 660 motor as the new Trident.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 06:29 Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:
I had the same question ... isn't the 750-900 class the mid-weight class? If so, they already have one.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:
Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

<image.png>

Article here:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

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Re: [emrat:12960] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

It's based on the same 660 motor as the new Trident.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 06:29 Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:

I had the same question ... isn't the 750-900 class the mid-weight class? If so, they already have one.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:
Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

Article here:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

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Re: [emrat:12959] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

I had the same question ... isn't the 750-900 class the mid-weight class? If so, they already have one.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jim Kerick <jim.kerick@gmail.com> wrote:

Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

Article here:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

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Tuesday, 24 August 2021

[emrat:12958] Triumph Prototype for a mid weight Tiger

Got an email about Triumph's prototype today. Okay, I LIKE the design. I know it is to hide some details of body, I think it is neat.

Article here:

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/adventure/coming-soon?sc_camp=63645825CA954C66FE1326C38E932814&mkt_tok=NTkxLVdWRy00MzgAAAF_F6L7-IcrpeVeMlgD1aW9RHBGli_FbLT6u6qGB13tu-KzG8Uz9qy_iWDmPVj9J-le6fpARQaGtin5JuqPPEjKWGfFlsxLizIdJPa4z8DI5A

Now, what is a middle weight bike? New 800'ish size?

Jim Kerick
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Don't Panic
DoD # 3.2616, KoFBP
'13 Triumph Trophy

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Re: [emrat:12957] Re: Starter dual sport recommendations?

Martin, my turn now. I've been thru the gamut of average dual sport bikes. In order: Honda XL250, XL600 & XR650L, Suzuki DRZ400E & DR650SE. All are "affordable" models. Although I think you'll be hard pressed to find a satisfactory example at the $3k price point, here and now. Maybe in an older sub 400 cc bike.

My current all-around favorite is my DR650. Not too big, best power from the Jap 650 single models, easy to handle on and off pavement, good aftermarket support too. I like it WAY better than my previous Honda 650.

For your size and ability, a real good choice for a first dual sport might be the Suzuki DRZ400. Rideable and good manners in lots of conditions, relatively on the smaller side, you can go most anywhere but long distance highway, and not get yourself in trouble. Plus, you could try and explore some light single track or narrow & rocky roads. (But not the SM model that Wayne mentioned. That's a street motard thing.)

I have a mild disagreement on the KLR idea. It is an overweight tractor-bike. And with the model that Mr Pilcher has, there's a fairing waiting to get busted up. The latest fuel injected KLR is not making many friends, gained more weight if I recall, and no more power. Beyond your price range as well. That my 2 cents. There's more where that came from if you're interested in listening.

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On Aug 24, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Steve Smith <shmitty74@gmail.com> wrote:

Dan makes some good points in favor of the KLR, to which I would add that the majority of owners tend to be more mature riders. The upshot is that they knew that they were not getting a hot rod when they bought them and so didn't ride the bejezuz out of them. The majority of the ones I've seen for sale have been both well maintained and accessorized with useful travel gadgetry. A well used KLR isn't necessarily a beater.

The problem with used dirt bikes is that a lot of them have been rode hard and put away wet, as they say. Just a cursory examination of YouTube videos will verify that. Some people just don't give a rats ass about their dirt bikes. Not always of course, but much more often than you would hope. Besides, the "heavy pigs" never seem to break. Just my opinions, for what they are worth. Not much I'm afraid.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:42 DAN PILCHER <danpilcher@comcast.net> wrote:

Well, Martin, I still have my 2009 KLR, which is the year after the big 2008 model upgrade, and I think of it as the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. I don't think of it as a "heavy pig" at all.

Some years ago, one of the motorcycle magazines did a comparison of the KLR and similar dual sports, and the writers picked the KLR for that very reason. It doesn't do anything particularly well, like some of the other bikes, but it does everything reasonably well, which none of the other bikes did. And it has a six-gallon tank, runs on regular, gets 60 mpg and there's a huge aftermarket supply of items to outfit the bike for adventure riding.

I am 6-2 tall and weigh 195 pounds and it suits me just fine. I bought it for riding the county dirt/gravel roads and the National Forest roads, not for single-track, dirt-bike trails. It's also relatively easy for me to pick up, having dropped it once.

I rode it several years ago to Taos for the Triumphs in Taos Rally, and it did just fine off-pavement as well as on I-25, zipping along at 75-80 mph. It's certainly not a rocket-ship in terms of acceleration like KTMs, BMW, etc., but I don't need that from the KLR.

It's actually my favorite bike for urban riding because I'm sitting up high with great visibility and the long-travel suspension soaks up the bumps and potholes, plus it's agile at getting through traffic.

Given that Kawasaki has introduced a new, fuel-injected, updated version, there should be plenty of used and well-outfitted KLRs on the market. Here's today's listing from Craig's List.

https://denver.craigslist.org/search/mcy?bundleDuplicates=1&hasPic=1&nearbyArea=210&nearbyArea=287&nearbyArea=288&nearbyArea=315&nearbyArea=319&nearbyArea=713&query=kawasaki%20KLR%20650&searchNearby=2&srchType=T

My suggestion is to rent the bikes that interest you and take them for a spin up in the mountains and along the Front Range. I think Mr. Graves actually rented a KLR one time to try out . .

Cheers,

Dan

On 08/24/2021 9:14 AM Bullet Bob <rlinmor@comcast.net> wrote:

Have had an F650GS for some years and it's good for highway plus dirt road exploring. Handles 75 mph decently and enough suspension travel for some moderately lumpy dirt roads such as Rollins Pass. Too big for enjoying real dirt/single track like Rampart, so if that's what you intend, the 250-400 class much better as you'll be picking it up more often. KTMs are great, but likely budget busters for a starter experience. I'd jump on TK's offer and do a little exploring and see what appeals.

BB

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC-6 martina...@gmail.com wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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RE: [emrat:12956] Starter dual sport recommendations?

The 500 EXC does have a map switch, at least the older ones did. The one I owned was pretty tame in the "Soft" mode.

But even an older one may be beyond the stated budged.

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Subject: Re: [emrat:12951] Starter dual sport recommendations?

The KTM 500 EXC Sean mentioned is the ultimate and might be worth selling a kidney for. Substantially lighter than a Japanese 250 with ungodly power. Probably not the bike you want to start on, though.

Re: [emrat:12955] Re: Starter dual sport recommendations?

Dan makes some good points in favor of the KLR, to which I would add that the majority of owners tend to be more mature riders. The upshot is that they knew that they were not getting a hot rod when they bought them and so didn't ride the bejezuz out of them. The majority of the ones I've seen for sale have been both well maintained and accessorized with useful travel gadgetry. A well used KLR isn't necessarily a beater.

The problem with used dirt bikes is that a lot of them have been rode hard and put away wet, as they say. Just a cursory examination of YouTube videos will verify that. Some people just don't give a rats ass about their dirt bikes. Not always of course, but much more often than you would hope. Besides, the "heavy pigs" never seem to break. Just my opinions, for what they are worth. Not much I'm afraid.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:42 DAN PILCHER <danpilcher@comcast.net> wrote:

Well, Martin, I still have my 2009 KLR, which is the year after the big 2008 model upgrade, and I think of it as the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. I don't think of it as a "heavy pig" at all.

Some years ago, one of the motorcycle magazines did a comparison of the KLR and similar dual sports, and the writers picked the KLR for that very reason. It doesn't do anything particularly well, like some of the other bikes, but it does everything reasonably well, which none of the other bikes did. And it has a six-gallon tank, runs on regular, gets 60 mpg and there's a huge aftermarket supply of items to outfit the bike for adventure riding.

I am 6-2 tall and weigh 195 pounds and it suits me just fine. I bought it for riding the county dirt/gravel roads and the National Forest roads, not for single-track, dirt-bike trails. It's also relatively easy for me to pick up, having dropped it once.

I rode it several years ago to Taos for the Triumphs in Taos Rally, and it did just fine off-pavement as well as on I-25, zipping along at 75-80 mph. It's certainly not a rocket-ship in terms of acceleration like KTMs, BMW, etc., but I don't need that from the KLR.

It's actually my favorite bike for urban riding because I'm sitting up high with great visibility and the long-travel suspension soaks up the bumps and potholes, plus it's agile at getting through traffic.

Given that Kawasaki has introduced a new, fuel-injected, updated version, there should be plenty of used and well-outfitted KLRs on the market. Here's today's listing from Craig's List.

https://denver.craigslist.org/search/mcy?bundleDuplicates=1&hasPic=1&nearbyArea=210&nearbyArea=287&nearbyArea=288&nearbyArea=315&nearbyArea=319&nearbyArea=713&query=kawasaki%20KLR%20650&searchNearby=2&srchType=T

My suggestion is to rent the bikes that interest you and take them for a spin up in the mountains and along the Front Range. I think Mr. Graves actually rented a KLR one time to try out . .

Cheers,

Dan

On 08/24/2021 9:14 AM Bullet Bob <rlinmor@comcast.net> wrote:

Have had an F650GS for some years and it's good for highway plus dirt road exploring. Handles 75 mph decently and enough suspension travel for some moderately lumpy dirt roads such as Rollins Pass. Too big for enjoying real dirt/single track like Rampart, so if that's what you intend, the 250-400 class much better as you'll be picking it up more often. KTMs are great, but likely budget busters for a starter experience. I'd jump on TK's offer and do a little exploring and see what appeals.

BB

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC-6 martina...@gmail.com wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12954] Starter dual sport recommendations?

Martin; A DRZ400SM w/motard tires! (kind of hard to find a cheap one, though) EWB

On 08/23/2021 9:00 PM Curtis Graves <ikonoklass@gmail.com> wrote:

Strongly recommend a 250. You'll be limited to 65-75 on the road, but once you hit the trail, you'll thank yourself. Weight—or lack thereof—is everything. Of course, Kawasaki and Honda now have 300s, but it'll be a few years before you can get one for $3K.

The DR-Z400 has more power, but it only has five gears, and the general consensus is that it has poor road manners. If you do go that route, look for an "E" model that someone has made street-legal.

The KTM 500 EXC Sean mentioned is the ultimate and might be worth selling a kidney for. Substantially lighter than a Japanese 250 with ungodly power. Probably not the bike you want to start on, though.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:45 PM Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:

Martin, I'm going through a similar process. I think it depends on what kind of riding you want to do and how far you want to travel to make trails. I've stepped down from an R1200GS to a BMW 800 twin, and I still think it's too heavy; I got into some trouble in Hotel Gulch last weekend, and that's a pretty tame double-track trail. I'm now thinking I want to step down to a DR650; 360 pounds dry, the lightest ADV I am aware of that still can move its ass on a highway.

If you're sticking close to home and don't want to do multi-day trips where you need to carry gear, there are a lot of lighter, far more capable bikes that are still street-legal getting to the trail; the KTM 500 is a good mid-displacement one, and of course there are polenty of mainly-dirtbikes below that displacement as well.

Cheers,

Jim

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 5:50 PM Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12953] Re: Starter dual sport recommendations?

Well, Martin, I still have my 2009 KLR, which is the year after the big 2008 model upgrade, and I think of it as the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. I don't think of it as a "heavy pig" at all.

Some years ago, one of the motorcycle magazines did a comparison of the KLR and similar dual sports, and the writers picked the KLR for that very reason. It doesn't do anything particularly well, like some of the other bikes, but it does everything reasonably well, which none of the other bikes did. And it has a six-gallon tank, runs on regular, gets 60 mpg and there's a huge aftermarket supply of items to outfit the bike for adventure riding.

I am 6-2 tall and weigh 195 pounds and it suits me just fine. I bought it for riding the county dirt/gravel roads and the National Forest roads, not for single-track, dirt-bike trails. It's also relatively easy for me to pick up, having dropped it once.

I rode it several years ago to Taos for the Triumphs in Taos Rally, and it did just fine off-pavement as well as on I-25, zipping along at 75-80 mph. It's certainly not a rocket-ship in terms of acceleration like KTMs, BMW, etc., but I don't need that from the KLR.

It's actually my favorite bike for urban riding because I'm sitting up high with great visibility and the long-travel suspension soaks up the bumps and potholes, plus it's agile at getting through traffic.

Given that Kawasaki has introduced a new, fuel-injected, updated version, there should be plenty of used and well-outfitted KLRs on the market. Here's today's listing from Craig's List.

https://denver.craigslist.org/search/mcy?bundleDuplicates=1&hasPic=1&nearbyArea=210&nearbyArea=287&nearbyArea=288&nearbyArea=315&nearbyArea=319&nearbyArea=713&query=kawasaki%20KLR%20650&searchNearby=2&srchType=T

My suggestion is to rent the bikes that interest you and take them for a spin up in the mountains and along the Front Range. I think Mr. Graves actually rented a KLR one time to try out . .

Cheers,

Dan

On 08/24/2021 9:14 AM Bullet Bob <rlinmor@comcast.net> wrote:

Have had an F650GS for some years and it's good for highway plus dirt road exploring. Handles 75 mph decently and enough suspension travel for some moderately lumpy dirt roads such as Rollins Pass. Too big for enjoying real dirt/single track like Rampart, so if that's what you intend, the 250-400 class much better as you'll be picking it up more often. KTMs are great, but likely budget busters for a starter experience. I'd jump on TK's offer and do a little exploring and see what appeals.

BB

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC-6 martina...@gmail.com wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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[emrat:12953] Re: Starter dual sport recommendations?

Have had an F650GS for some years and it's good for highway plus dirt road exploring. Handles 75 mph decently and enough suspension travel for some moderately lumpy dirt roads such as Rollins Pass. Too big for enjoying real dirt/single track like Rampart, so if that's what you intend, the 250-400 class much better as you'll be picking it up more often. KTMs are great, but likely budget busters for a starter experience. I'd jump on TK's offer and do a little exploring and see what appeals.

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC-6 martina...@gmail.com wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12951] Starter dual sport recommendations?

Strongly recommend a 250. You'll be limited to 65-75 on the road, but once you hit the trail, you'll thank yourself. Weight—or lack thereof—is everything. Of course, Kawasaki and Honda now have 300s, but it'll be a few years before you can get one for $3K.

The DR-Z400 has more power, but it only has five gears, and the general consensus is that it has poor road manners. If you do go that route, look for an "E" model that someone has made street-legal.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:45 PM Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:

Martin, I'm going through a similar process. I think it depends on what kind of riding you want to do and how far you want to travel to make trails. I've stepped down from an R1200GS to a BMW 800 twin, and I still think it's too heavy; I got into some trouble in Hotel Gulch last weekend, and that's a pretty tame double-track trail. I'm now thinking I want to step down to a DR650; 360 pounds dry, the lightest ADV I am aware of that still can move its ass on a highway.

If you're sticking close to home and don't want to do multi-day trips where you need to carry gear, there are a lot of lighter, far more capable bikes that are still street-legal getting to the trail; the KTM 500 is a good mid-displacement one, and of course there are polenty of mainly-dirtbikes below that displacement as well.

Cheers,

Jim

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 5:50 PM Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:
Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12950] Starter dual sport recommendations?

Martin, I'm going through a similar process. I think it depends on what kind of riding you want to do and how far you want to travel to make trails. I've stepped down from an R1200GS to a BMW 800 twin, and I still think it's too heavy; I got into some trouble in Hotel Gulch last weekend, and that's a pretty tame double-track trail. I'm now thinking I want to step down to a DR650; 360 pounds dry, the lightest ADV I am aware of that still can move its ass on a highway.

If you're sticking close to home and don't want to do multi-day trips where you need to carry gear, there are a lot of lighter, far more capable bikes that are still street-legal getting to the trail; the KTM 500 is a good mid-displacement one, and of course there are polenty of mainly-dirtbikes below that displacement as well.

Cheers,

Jim

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 5:50 PM Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12949] Starter dual sport recommendations?

My guess is that if you're going to stay under $3k you're looking at a well-used KLR, but you might find a DR400. I'm pretty happy with the WR250R that I have but they run significantly more than that, at least in my experience. The market for those light dual sports is pretty hot right now. Good luck hunting.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 18:03 Sean Donnelly <sean1881@gmail.com> wrote:

I know a guy who recently purchased a Royal Enfield Himalayan, because he found the big ADV bikes to be heavy pigs for cruising around on the dirt trails and he is absolutely in love with it. It is something to consider. I can put you in touch with him if you are interested.

Otherwise for a tall bike that is great off-road and adequate on it, you can't go wrong with a KTM 500 EXC-F.

Or if you wan't something that can also bit kitted as a light ADV, we *LOVE* our KTM 690 Enduro R. That bike is just fun to ride.

Sean Donnelly
Sean1881@gmail.com

On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12948] Starter dual sport recommendations?

Martin,

I have a Husqvarna 701 Enduro that I cannot currently ride after my rotator cuff surgery. It is very good off the road especially for light forest roads etc. and weighs about 350 lbs wet. Let me know if you would like to try it out one day as it needs to be ridden while I am recovering.

Managing Partner of Raising Two Kids LLC

On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Re: [emrat:12947] Starter dual sport recommendations?

I know a guy who recently purchased a Royal Enfield Himalayan, because he found the big ADV bikes to be heavy pigs for cruising around on the dirt trails and he is absolutely in love with it. It is something to consider. I can put you in touch with him if you are interested.

Otherwise for a tall bike that is great off-road and adequate on it, you can't go wrong with a KTM 500 EXC-F.

Or if you wan't something that can also bit kitted as a light ADV, we *LOVE* our KTM 690 Enduro R. That bike is just fun to ride.

Sean Donnelly

Sean1881@gmail.com

On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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[emrat:12946] Starter dual sport recommendations?

Rats: After 39 years of exclusively riding on the street, I've decided to start looking for a dual sport so I can ride on mild trails and dirt roads. Any recommendations for a beginner? Any of you planning on any trail rides that I could tag along on and maybe take a turn on a bike to see if it's something i'd like before I go out and buy one?

About the only requirements for me are (1) has to be street legal because I don't want to have to trailer it to the trailhead, (2) Would strongly prefer an electric starter because I'm not sure my old knees can take a kick starter and (3) would like to stay under $3k used.

I know the KLR is the "go to" for a lot of people but looking at the specs it seems like a heavy pig and I'd like to avoid a bike that's excessively heavy. I'm also concerned that something too small (200 - 250 class) might not be enough power wise. I'm fairly tall (6'1") so a taller bike is OK.

I know Kawasaki has the KLR/KLX in a 400 class, Honda and Suzuki have 400 class (XR and DR) but I'm not sure what Yamaha has in that class.

Thanks in advance and if anybody has a bike for sale or knows of one that might work for me, shoot me a message.

Thanks!

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Thursday, 19 August 2021

[emrat:12945] Paging Dan Pilcher ...

Hey Dan ... looks like I have an old email address of yours.

My folks are in town and we tried renting my dad a Motorcycle. Rented a Goldwing 1200 (he's a Honda guy) from some dude and it broke down on the way to my house.

Any chance you have a "spare bike" you both think would be appropriate and also willing to rent/lend to us for the weekend?

Other option is I'll try to get him on a BMW from Co Moto Adventures.

Jake

678-361-5947

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Sunday, 15 August 2021

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