Saturday, 31 July 2021

Re: [emrat:12925] Re: Sunday ride?

I'm in 

Jul 31, 2021, 14:29 by beaker@pobox.com:

> OK, weather looks pretty good tomorrow - cloudy and cool, with scattered thunderstorms later in the day. Who's up for 9AM from the Morrison convenience store?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
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> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 4:14 PM Jim Baker <> beaker@pobox.com> > wrote:
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>> Hey, all,
>>
>> Sunday is the first Sunday of August.  Any interest in a ride?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jim
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[emrat:12924] Re: Sunday ride?

OK, weather looks pretty good tomorrow - cloudy and cool, with scattered thunderstorms later in the day. Who's up for 9AM from the Morrison convenience store?

Cheers,

Jim

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 4:14 PM Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com> wrote:
Hey, all,

Sunday is the first Sunday of August.  Any interest in a ride?

Cheers,

Jim

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[emrat:12922] Re: FOR SALE: Side racks for air-cooled Bonnie

I should add that the "wobble" will not happen with any other bike.  It's due to the fact that my cast front wheel is slightly off center.  If you have a stock front wheel these will work fine.  

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 9:54 AM Martin Richard <martinarmy1961@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm going to offer these to the group first at the "club discount." 

I now realize I can't use the Happy-Trail side racks I got for my Bonneville.  Tried for a couple of years but not compatible with my cast front wheel (causes wobble.)  

So I'm putting them up for sale.  This is the Happy-Trail SU side rack.  Extremely sturdy and rugged steel.  Here is the link for the product:


I'm including the pucks (another $40 purchase) and for those who can pick up in person, I'll throw in the Duratool yellow side cases, already drilled to work with the rack (if I sell on the Intertubes I won't include these because IMO they're too bulky & expensive to ship.)

My cost for the side racks and pucks was around $280 total.  I'll offer them to the club for $150.  They've been on the bike twice but never actually "used" them due to the head shake so they're in excellent condition.  

These will definitely fit any Hinckley Bonneville or T100 from 2001 - 2008 (Carbureted) and I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't fit an EFI air cooled Bonneville or Bonneville SE as well.  My guess is they will NOT fit the water cooled Bonnies.  They also will not fit a Scrambler due to the location of the exhaust.  They may or may not fit on a pre-2016 Thruxton but my guess is that they will.  

Photos attached, location is my home in Littleton.  I can ship the rack if need be but if you want the cases you'll have to pick them up in person - I can probably meet a buyer almost anywhere on the Front Range.  

I'll be posting this in the FB page as well.  Contact here or by my "regular" email, martinjmpr@yahoo.com

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[emrat:12922] FOR SALE: Side racks for air-cooled Bonnie

I'm going to offer these to the group first at the "club discount." 

I now realize I can't use the Happy-Trail side racks I got for my Bonneville.  Tried for a couple of years but not compatible with my cast front wheel (causes wobble.)  

So I'm putting them up for sale.  This is the Happy-Trail SU side rack.  Extremely sturdy and rugged steel.  Here is the link for the product:


I'm including the pucks (another $40 purchase) and for those who can pick up in person, I'll throw in the Duratool yellow side cases, already drilled to work with the rack (if I sell on the Intertubes I won't include these because IMO they're too bulky & expensive to ship.)

My cost for the side racks and pucks was around $280 total.  I'll offer them to the club for $150.  They've been on the bike twice but never actually "used" them due to the head shake so they're in excellent condition.  

These will definitely fit any Hinckley Bonneville or T100 from 2001 - 2008 (Carbureted) and I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't fit an EFI air cooled Bonneville or Bonneville SE as well.  My guess is they will NOT fit the water cooled Bonnies.  They also will not fit a Scrambler due to the location of the exhaust.  They may or may not fit on a pre-2016 Thruxton but my guess is that they will.  

Photos attached, location is my home in Littleton.  I can ship the rack if need be but if you want the cases you'll have to pick them up in person - I can probably meet a buyer almost anywhere on the Front Range.  

I'll be posting this in the FB page as well.  Contact here or by my "regular" email, martinjmpr@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, 28 July 2021

[emrat:12921] Sunday ride?

Hey, all,

Sunday is the first Sunday of August.  Any interest in a ride?

Cheers,

Jim

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Re: [emrat:12920] Cal Crutchlow to Yamaha

Jim

Yes,l know this,because l signed up for the MotoGP app.

Regarding expectations,hope Cal's crash ratio drops dramaticly.Last  2 years he keeps playing the HRC crash test dummy!Should help ticket sales at Silverstone without a dought.....


                        E-Steve









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From: Jim Baker <beaker@pobox.com>
Date: 7/28/21 7:48 AM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: [emrat:12919] Cal Crutchlow to Yamaha

Hey, E-Steve, I lost your number so I am spamming everyone to let you know this.  Fortunately there are more than a few other MotoGP folks here who might be interested ...


Cheers,

Jim

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[emrat:12919] Cal Crutchlow to Yamaha

Hey, E-Steve, I lost your number so I am spamming everyone to let you know this.  Fortunately there are more than a few other MotoGP folks here who might be interested ...


Cheers,

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Sunday, 25 July 2021

Re: [emrat:12918] Fwd: Better get your order in.

I' still waiting on that goddam personal helicopter that Popular Mechanix promised me 60 years ago!  EWB
 
On 07/25/2021 8:21 AM DAVID WARFIELD <warfman2@comcast.net> wrote:
 
 
They'll need a "cruiser" version to win the USA market. High handlebars, forward pegs about 3 ft wide, tractor seat, loud stereo, and a cup holder.
On 07/22/2021 6:57 AM LARRY POAGUE <poag101@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 


 

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Re: [emrat:12917] Fwd: Better get your order in.

They'll need a "cruiser" version to win the USA market. High handlebars, forward pegs about 3 ft wide, tractor seat, loud stereo, and a cup holder.
On 07/22/2021 6:57 AM LARRY POAGUE <poag101@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 


 

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Thursday, 22 July 2021

Re: [emrat:12916] Fwd: Better get your order in.

Can't imagine the FAA will like these!

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:57 AM LARRY POAGUE <poag101@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: [emrat:12915] Fwd: Better get your order in.

I wonder if Paul Molnar is involved somehow.  They keep selling this dream, but if you even have a private pilot license you know how bad an idea this is ... 

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:57 AM LARRY POAGUE <poag101@gmail.com> wrote:

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[emrat:12915] Re: Better get your order in.

Hmm, avoids the risk of left hand turning vehicles, but…?!

On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 6:57:23 AM UTC-6 poag101 wrote:

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[emrat:12913] Fwd: Better get your order in.

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Saturday, 17 July 2021

Re: [emrat:12912] Black Hills Rally

Great to have you with us Jay. Will cement time and meeting next week. In Paonia for bmw rally right now.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 2:11 PM <jayclawson@att.net> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Just made reservations at Creekside for Aug 5-9th.  Looking forward to the trip.

 

Jay

 

From: 'sfr4201' via RMRAT <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:33 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [emrat:12910] Black Hills Rally

 

Jay

 

Great to hear that you will be joining Norm,Vince and l.Plan right now is to meet in Fort Morgan Thurs.Aug 5th.Norm will determine the time

 

 

 

 

                       E-Steve

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Jay Clawson <jayclawson@att.net>

Date: 7/17/21 7:05 AM (GMT-07:00)

Subject: Re: [emrat:12909] Black Hills Rally

 

Hi guys,

I haven't been to Sturgis for years.  Should be fun.  Will make reservations at Creekside. Let me know where you plan to meetup.

Jay

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

 


From: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Vince M Lane <blcswvjd@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:00:05 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12855] Black Hills Rally

 

 

Excellent Steve, it will be fun!

 

Vince

 


From: 'sfr4201' via RMRAT <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 6:49 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12848] Black Hills Rally

 

Norm

 

All booked up at the Creekside for 4 nights (5-9).Talk to you later,cheers.......

 

 

                      E-Steve

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 

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From: Norman Wright <lowrtax@gmail.com>

Date: 6/12/21 4:51 PM (GMT-07:00)

Subject: [emrat:12822] Black Hills Rally

 

To all:

 

Vince and I are headed to the Black Hills Rally Thursday Aug 5th and returning on Monday.  We will use the "Dancing with Wolves" route from Ft Morgan through the NE Panhandle.

 

WE are staying at Creekside Campground as usual.

 

If you want to join us, let us know..  

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RE: [emrat:12911] Black Hills Rally

Hi Steve,

 

Just made reservations at Creekside for Aug 5-9th.  Looking forward to the trip.

 

Jay

 

From: 'sfr4201' via RMRAT <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:33 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [emrat:12910] Black Hills Rally

 

Jay

 

Great to hear that you will be joining Norm,Vince and l.Plan right now is to meet in Fort Morgan Thurs.Aug 5th.Norm will determine the time

 

 

 

 

                       E-Steve

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Jay Clawson <jayclawson@att.net>

Date: 7/17/21 7:05 AM (GMT-07:00)

Subject: Re: [emrat:12909] Black Hills Rally

 

Hi guys,

I haven't been to Sturgis for years.  Should be fun.  Will make reservations at Creekside. Let me know where you plan to meetup.

Jay

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

 


From: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Vince M Lane <blcswvjd@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:00:05 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12855] Black Hills Rally

 

 

Excellent Steve, it will be fun!

 

Vince

 


From: 'sfr4201' via RMRAT <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 6:49 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12848] Black Hills Rally

 

Norm

 

All booked up at the Creekside for 4 nights (5-9).Talk to you later,cheers.......

 

 

                      E-Steve

 

 

 

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From: Norman Wright <lowrtax@gmail.com>

Date: 6/12/21 4:51 PM (GMT-07:00)

Subject: [emrat:12822] Black Hills Rally

 

To all:

 

Vince and I are headed to the Black Hills Rally Thursday Aug 5th and returning on Monday.  We will use the "Dancing with Wolves" route from Ft Morgan through the NE Panhandle.

 

WE are staying at Creekside Campground as usual.

 

If you want to join us, let us know..  

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Re: [emrat:12910] Black Hills Rally

Jay

Great to hear that you will be joining Norm,Vince and l.Plan right now is to meet in Fort Morgan Thurs.Aug 5th.Norm will determine the time




                       E-Steve





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From: Jay Clawson <jayclawson@att.net>
Date: 7/17/21 7:05 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [emrat:12909] Black Hills Rally

Hi guys,

I haven't been to Sturgis for years.  Should be fun.  Will make reservations at Creekside. Let me know where you plan to meetup.

Jay

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone


From: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Vince M Lane <blcswvjd@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:00:05 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12855] Black Hills Rally
 

Excellent Steve, it will be fun!

Vince


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Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 6:49 PM
To: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [emrat:12848] Black Hills Rally
 
Norm

All booked up at the Creekside for 4 nights (5-9).Talk to you later,cheers.......


                      E-Steve



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Date: 6/12/21 4:51 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: [emrat:12822] Black Hills Rally

To all:

Vince and I are headed to the Black Hills Rally Thursday Aug 5th and returning on Monday.  We will use the "Dancing with Wolves" route from Ft Morgan through the NE Panhandle.

WE are staying at Creekside Campground as usual.

If you want to join us, let us know..  

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Re: [emrat:12909] Black Hills Rally

Hi guys,

I haven't been to Sturgis for years.  Should be fun.  Will make reservations at Creekside. Let me know where you plan to meetup.

Jay

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From: rmrat@googlegroups.com <rmrat@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Vince M Lane <blcswvjd@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:00:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [emrat:12855] Black Hills Rally
 

Excellent Steve, it will be fun!

Vince


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Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 6:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [emrat:12848] Black Hills Rally
 
Norm

All booked up at the Creekside for 4 nights (5-9).Talk to you later,cheers.......


                      E-Steve



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Date: 6/12/21 4:51 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: [emrat:12822] Black Hills Rally

To all:

Vince and I are headed to the Black Hills Rally Thursday Aug 5th and returning on Monday.  We will use the "Dancing with Wolves" route from Ft Morgan through the NE Panhandle.

WE are staying at Creekside Campground as usual.

If you want to join us, let us know..  

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Friday, 16 July 2021

[emrat:12908] Weekend agenda



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Thursday, 15 July 2021

Re: [emrat:12907] Sad News about Montrose T-shirts

To hell with that; now I'm not coming ;)

Jim Baker
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Hello everyone, because of all of the last minute registrations, T-shirts will not be ready in time for the event.  The will be done soon after, so we can figure out how to get them to you. 

Manuel

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[emrat:12906] Sad News about Montrose T-shirts

Hello everyone, because of all of the last minute registrations, T-shirts will not be ready in time for the event.  The will be done soon after, so we can figure out how to get them to you. 

Manuel
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